the problem all the snowden and try to getty as a nation to consensus in the world to put a limit on what sort of cyber attacks countries can engage in is severely limited because the rest of the world looks at us as hypocrites. you united states are doing this to all of us, you're spying on our leaders. who are you to talk about protecting cyber security against advanced threats? so it's a very difficult time we're in right now. ashley: really is. we're already out of time. governor ridge, thanks for joining us. michael, thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. tracy: we have a long way to go. >>> all right, september retail sales down .1 of a percent. if you strip out autos, it pops up to .4 of a percent. still not stellar but better than nothing i suppose. with just one month left until black friday what can we expect this holiday season? joining us lazard capital markets vice president. almost a month a way. can't believe it. >> i know. tracy: stores open on thanksgiving day. >> macy's, kohl's, jcpenney opening thanksgiving day. tracy: joining walmart and target from last year.